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Postby Eco-Exile » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:19 pm

That is a significant loss. For some teams on the smaller side in this division their entire player wage bill will not be much more than that. Perhaps it is unfair on other teams we have an owner happy to subsidise such a loss making club, but then that is the luck of the game and we should be pleased we are the ones benefiting even we do need to be aware of our financial privilege.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby TreeinWillsbridge » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:04 pm

FGR are making a small loss because of the small ground and small crowd. D.V could have sold the ground back to himself if it was an issue! :lol:

To be successful at this or a higher level the club need a successful acadamy, with a reputation for developing First Team quality players.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby Kentstripe » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:22 pm

Eco-Exile wrote:That is a significant loss. For some teams on the smaller side in this division their entire player wage bill will not be much more than that. Perhaps it is unfair on other teams we have an owner happy to subsidise such a loss making club, but then that is the luck of the game and we should be pleased we are the ones benefiting even we do need to be aware of our financial privilege.


Then again there are some clubs in this division who spent nearly £750k on transfer fees this January alone, like Swindon, and some others like Bradford , Plymouth and Mansfield who are paying up to £5k a week in wages to their higher earners.

Losing Brown and Doidge for a fraction of their worth was a blow, however it seems we have at least finally reached a settlement with Bolton which should boost the next set of accounts.

It's very tough to compete with clubs with much larger revenue streams, as others have said the focus has to be on developing young talent and selling them on as there is no other way we can get close to bridging the gap once we get to league 1 or higher. DV's pockets are no where near as deep as some of the clubs or their owners at that level and above.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby Eco-Exile » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:34 pm

Kentstripe wrote:
Eco-Exile wrote:That is a significant loss. For some teams on the smaller side in this division their entire player wage bill will not be much more than that. Perhaps it is unfair on other teams we have an owner happy to subsidise such a loss making club, but then that is the luck of the game and we should be pleased we are the ones benefiting even we do need to be aware of our financial privilege.


Then again there are some clubs in this division who spent nearly £750k on transfer fees this January alone, like Swindon, and some others like Bradford , Plymouth and Mansfield who are paying up to £5k a week in wages to their higher earners. Our top earner is on less then half of that by all accounts.

Losing Brown and Doidge for a fraction of their worth was a blow, however it seems we have at least finally reached a settlement with Bolton which should boost the next set of accounts.


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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby Kentstripe » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:40 pm

I realise that, was more trying to point out how difficult it's going to be for the club to climb higher up the pyramid without either making significant losses or seeing a significant rise in revenue. Player sales can help but they aren't a reliable source of income. Imo we probably need to double our gates to have a real chance of becoming an established league 1 side anytime soon.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby 20yrs and counting » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:48 pm

To stay short term sustainable guess we have to pluck someone from non league obscurity and coach to at least league one level or above to attract decent price to balance books. We have to do this season after season. So far this model is working and we are attracting hungry young players to move on. Who will be the next one to make a big move? My guess would be Ebou Adams. A lot of pressure on recruitment head Hughes and the coaching team. This can only go on so long. Couple of bad talent spotting seasons or transfer windows could lead to trouble.

Long term, hate to say it but, new stadium seems like a must. Higher attendance also a must. Which is why I find why the club marginalising North and South standers compared to East standers hard to take. Attendance behind the goals are slipping and many don’t feel wanted or part of the club with new initiatives only inclusive of those who sit. How do Mansfield manage such high wages. Their attendance way better than ours, but still. Somehow or someone has to bring the club together as one to drive up attendance. Find the arrogance and petty acts of several factions (management/ownership/stewarding) are having the opposite effect at the moment.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby It is now » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:32 pm

All seems very quiet on the “call in front” ?

It was a long time ago since I was involved in planning issues but seemed to recall there were criteria the Secretary of State had to take notice of. Lo and behold I found this:

“There is no power for the Secretary of State to call-in a planning application where a decision notice has been issued by the local planning authority, although he may call-in at any time up to this point.”

.... and ...

“ Essentially, the powers are used only when matters are of national significance”.

“It is clear that there is no legal obligation on the Secretary of State to call-in a planning application and this power should only be used if there are issues of more than local importance involved. Indeed, the following list of examples, known as the “Caborn principles” clarify that the call-in power may be used where a development proposal:

1. may conflict with national policies on important matters;
2. may have significant long-term impact on economic growth and meeting housing needs across a wider area than a local authority;
3. could have significant effects beyond their immediate locality;
4. gives rise to substantial cross-boundary or national controversy;
5. raises significant architectural and urban design issues; or
6. may involve the interests of national security or of foreign Governments.”


Assuming the planning decision notice has been issued, I think that boat has sailed?
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby Tommo » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:52 pm

I believe that Henry S believes it has not yet sailed and that the timescales available to the Secretary of State can work to are ambiguous and are ongoing. But the criteria you quote clearly make a call in inappropriate and I think the possibility creates delay rather than a halt. I hope so
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby Timb » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:22 pm

So, a different end to the first decade at the helm than maybe envisaged even just a couple of weeks ago.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby michael » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 pm

whilst its the actions and /or inactions of the premier league players which are creating the headlines, it is good to read that the premier league are releasing funds to EFL clubs to support them financially
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby The Old TomCat » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:52 am

With little to do of late I started checking out previous league results which reminded me with fondness the many good players that FGR have had in the past decade.
Anyway I've transferred results to the final league table that show practically every season during Dale's chairmanship FGR have had good seasons and progressed upwards. Our only only poor season, 2017-2018, was better than the previous one because we were in a higher league. :D

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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby Eco-Exile » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:27 pm

Those tables show that Cooper won fewer points in 2016-17 than Pennock did in 2015-16, and finished a place lower. This is why I do not regard that season as a more than a bare minimum level of success.
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Re: Dale Vince on decade at FGR, stadium latest and more

Postby The Old TomCat » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:35 pm

Eco-Exile wrote:Those tables show that Cooper won fewer points in 2016-17 than Pennock did in 2015-16, and finished a place lower. This is why I do not regard that season as a more than a bare minimum level of success.

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