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Re: Support the players

Postby gooseman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:31 am

Lets look at it from another angle. How much money has been squandered by MC on players left out to dry? Smith signed on a two year contract. Played a handful of games and now banished. Still has a year left on his contract. Lloyd James has spent the entire season picking up a wage for doing nothing apart from a brief spell at Torquay. McCoulsky signed on a two and half year contract. Played a handful of games, loaned out to Bromley / Halifax and now banished still has a year on his contract. Remember Fabian Robert given a 3 year contract. Played a handful of games then never seen again. These are just current examples of his incompetence. In any other walk of life MC would have been sacked.
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Re: Support the players

Postby 20yrs and counting » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:19 am

Agreed. This happens season after season. We must have a terrible reputation amongst players. The manager is paid to manage players. He obviously can’t do that. Especially seasoned pro’s, which is why he purchases youngsters he can mould and dictate tactics with. I feel a lot of the players don’t play their natural games and they have to adhere to ‘tactics’. Look at the amount of times we go to ground when staying on your feet would be a better/easier option. Then the stupid rolling the ball to the edge of the box by keeper last season which has thankfully been abandoned. Couple of weeks ago Winnie switched from passing sideways and backwards to last 20 driving the team forward.

He seems to be obsessed with possession stats even if most of it done in defensive half. We rarely see moments of inspiration and players look scared to do anything off the cuff or not in the MC coaching manual. Still hopeful of a player power revolution and they play how they want to play and to their strengths.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Timb » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:47 pm

I disagree.

We take on young players with potential. Not proven ability.

We have a squad and within the squad some improve more than others, some adapt to the playing style others dont, some reach their level and plateau while others continue to improve season on season. Some find the going tough.

It's a very harsh business to be in, and if you think that theres only say 100 professional clubs in the country and say each club has say 50 professional players then that's 5000 jobs total in England as a professional footballer. Not many out of the total workforce will ever stand a chance of making the grade as a professional footballer.

We give players the chance to prove themselves while offering stability with a decent contract length. That's definitely not the norm across the leagues.

There will never be a situation where all 25 or 30 or whatever the number is in our squad will make the grade, and move on up with us. Bigger clubs move players to a different squad, we haven't got a second squad.

The players know the rewards and they also know the risk of not making the grade.

It's a ruthless business on the pitch and managing the players. And hard decisions need to be made. I can totally see the logic in letting players know where they stand, it's best for everyone in the long run.

SM is very unfortunate in that he was taken on to fill CD's boots, but then he came back and it just hasn't worked out since CD moved on again. He hasn't taken his chances.

Good luck to all 5 players.

The outpouring of grief on here for the 5 is laudable if that's actually what it is. Theres no need to have a whip round for the 5 because they're on secure contracts.

The onus is on them to find another club and they know where they stand which is a very healthy thing, not the nasty vindictive thing it's being made out to be. That's life as a professional footballer.

If the decision gives them extra motivation to get out there and prove everyone wrong and succeed at another club then that's a very healthy thing. If they decide that MC is right and they've gone as high as they can then they just sit on their secure contract and see it out. Their decision.

It's the players' decision making that decides what happens next, they've been given their chance by MC and FGR.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Bill Shankly » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:21 pm

Why does not MC support the players...
Just watched his pre match again same old criticised forwards for not scoring criticised defenders for errors does not want to play at home criticising the pitch
Nothing wrong in signing players and forcing them out of THE GROUP

He has not a clue on motivation and team work.

19 games 2 wins 6 defeats at home on the bounce.....
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Re: Support the players

Postby Kentstripe » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:41 pm

Timb wrote:I disagree.

We take on young players with potential. Not proven ability.

We have a squad and within the squad some improve more than others, some adapt to the playing style others dont, some reach their level and plateau while others continue to improve season on season. Some find the going tough.

It's a very harsh business to be in, and if you think that theres only say 100 professional clubs in the country and say each club has say 50 professional players then that's 5000 jobs total in England as a professional footballer. Not many out of the total workforce will ever stand a chance of making the grade as a professional footballer.

We give players the chance to prove themselves while offering stability with a decent contract length. That's definitely not the norm across the leagues.

There will never be a situation where all 25 or 30 or whatever the number is in our squad will make the grade, and move on up with us. Bigger clubs move players to a different squad, we haven't got a second squad.

The players know the rewards and they also know the risk of not making the grade.

It's a ruthless business on the pitch and managing the players. And hard decisions need to be made. I can totally see the logic in letting players know where they stand, it's best for everyone in the long run.

SM is very unfortunate in that he was taken on to fill CD's boots, but then he came back and it just hasn't worked out since CD moved on again. He hasn't taken his chances.

Good luck to all 5 players.

The outpouring of grief on here for the 5 is laudable if that's actually what it is. Theres no need to have a whip round for the 5 because they're on secure contracts.

The onus is on them to find another club and they know where they stand which is a very healthy thing, not the nasty vindictive thing it's being made out to be. That's life as a professional footballer.

If the decision gives them extra motivation to get out there and prove everyone wrong and succeed at another club then that's a very healthy thing. If they decide that MC is right and they've gone as high as they can then they just sit on their secure contract and see it out. Their decision.

It's the players' decision making that decides what happens next, they've been given their chance by MC and FGR.


Nice to see some sense being spoken on here.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Eco-Exile » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:07 pm

Timb wrote:I disagree.

We take on young players with potential. Not proven ability.

We have a squad and within the squad some improve more than others, some adapt to the playing style others dont, some reach their level and plateau while others continue to improve season on season. Some find the going tough.

It's a very harsh business to be in, and if you think that theres only say 100 professional clubs in the country and say each club has say 50 professional players then that's 5000 jobs total in England as a professional footballer. Not many out of the total workforce will ever stand a chance of making the grade as a professional footballer.

We give players the chance to prove themselves while offering stability with a decent contract length. That's definitely not the norm across the leagues.

There will never be a situation where all 25 or 30 or whatever the number is in our squad will make the grade, and move on up with us. Bigger clubs move players to a different squad, we haven't got a second squad.

The players know the rewards and they also know the risk of not making the grade.

It's a ruthless business on the pitch and managing the players. And hard decisions need to be made. I can totally see the logic in letting players know where they stand, it's best for everyone in the long run.

SM is very unfortunate in that he was taken on to fill CD's boots, but then he came back and it just hasn't worked out since CD moved on again. He hasn't taken his chances.

Good luck to all 5 players.

The outpouring of grief on here for the 5 is laudable if that's actually what it is. Theres no need to have a whip round for the 5 because they're on secure contracts.

The onus is on them to find another club and they know where they stand which is a very healthy thing, not the nasty vindictive thing it's being made out to be. That's life as a professional footballer.

If the decision gives them extra motivation to get out there and prove everyone wrong and succeed at another club then that's a very healthy thing. If they decide that MC is right and they've gone as high as they can then they just sit on their secure contract and see it out. Their decision.

It's the players' decision making that decides what happens next, they've been given their chance by MC and FGR.


Hard to prove you should be playing and to work your way back in to the side when you are not allowed to train with the first squad.
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Re: Support the players

Postby FGR-Ledge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:10 pm

its funny, that players that have been shut out and slagged off by Cooper are fair game with these people.

However for Cooper to be criticised is not on and could affect his mental health! I'm sure it's great for players mental health to be slagged off in public and then told not to bother training with the first team like naughty school children!

The irony levels are high in here. Just think a bit and read back what you are actually saying.

It all looks very much like Cap Doffing again. Sorry but it does.
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Re: Support the players

Postby gooseman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:19 pm

Sorry Tim but Lloyd James is 30 years of age. Grubby was a PE teacher before hand and arrived when he was 26/27. Smith is in his late twenties. So these are not impressionable young lads but adults. No one is saying they have a right to play but treating individuals with dignity and respect is just basic human nature. Slight irony regarding mental well being the flavour of the month, yet I wonder what mental health of some of these individuals is after being discarded by the manager.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Eco-Exile » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:28 pm

FGR-Ledge wrote:its funny, that players that have been shut out and slagged off by Cooper are fair game with these people.

However for Cooper to be criticised is not on and could affect his mental health! I'm sure it's great for players mental health to be slagged off in public and then told not to bother training with the first team like naughty school children!

The irony levels are high in here. Just think a bit and read back what you are actually saying.

It all looks very much like Cap Doffing again. Sorry but it does.


Imagine being so in awe of a classless bully like Mark Cooper that you endorse him treating players in this way.

On the one hand saying football is ruthless and players have to expect having their season ended and careers damaged by a manager picking on them, but then on the other hand saying a manager can’t be criticised for 2 wins in 19 and conceited unpleasant interviews. Unusual.
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Re: Support the players

Postby FGR-Ledge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:36 pm

Eco-Exile wrote:
FGR-Ledge wrote:its funny, that players that have been shut out and slagged off by Cooper are fair game with these people.

However for Cooper to be criticised is not on and could affect his mental health! I'm sure it's great for players mental health to be slagged off in public and then told not to bother training with the first team like naughty school children!

The irony levels are high in here. Just think a bit and read back what you are actually saying.

It all looks very much like Cap Doffing again. Sorry but it does.


Imagine being so in awe of a classless bully like Mark Cooper that you endorse him treating players in this way.

On the one hand saying football is ruthless and players have to expect having their season ended and careers damaged by a manager picking on them, but then on the other hand saying a manager can’t be criticised for 2 wins in 19 and conceited unpleasant interviews. Unusual.



It's seriously wierd isn't it!

If football is a ruthless world, then Cooper needs to go then surely?

Like I said before, I swear they have some form of Stockholm Syndrome going on with Cooper.

Friends from other clubs firstly cannot believe Cooper is in a job and secondly thinks we have some very strange fans, I'm afraid I fully concur.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Kentstripe » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:54 pm

Not every player can play. Not every player can stay at a club forever.

Our best, most consistent players never seem to get dropped or fall out of favour etc. And they aren’t all youngsters. If the likes of McCoulsky and Mondal had performed as consistently well as the likes of Rawson, Kitching, Shephard, Mills, Winchester and Adams then they would be playing. All 5 have been given plenty of time to prove themselves. Unfortunately they haven’t, so are now going to be moved on. Otherwise there would never be room for new signings, which most fans tend to demand/expect.

A managers job is to put together the best possible squad, sometimes that means being ruthless. It is impossible to keep 25 players happy.
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Re: Support the players

Postby 20yrs and counting » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:57 pm

Usual suspects defending MC. Like some kind of cult. Yes he was a great player. He HAS been a good manager. But time to move on. He’s clearly out of ideas. He needed a no2 and a decent Jan window and failed. He signs young players every season, discards 5 or 6 whilst taking up the wage bill and breaks their spirit and in turn breaks the fan/player bond at the club,leading to the poor home match atmosphere. Surely a big part of Head Coach is to inspire, motivate. A lot of the players he brings in are better than when he coaches the unpredictably out of them

How many players as he genuinely improved vs were they better when they arrived. The scales tip to the later part of the sentence. Mondal, McCoulsky, Smith, Robert, Traore, Williams. All betterwhen they arrived. He has had success stories, Pinnock, Doidge (to an extent), prob Kitching as well. Time moves on. Every manager has a sell by date at a club.
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Re: Support the players

Postby FGR-Ledge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:03 pm

Kentstripe wrote:Not every player can play. Not every player can stay at a club forever.

Our best, most consistent players never seem to get dropped or fall out of favour etc. And they aren’t all youngsters. If the likes of McCoulsky and Mondal had performed as consistently well as the likes of Rawson, Kitching, Shephard, Mills, Winchester and Adams then they would be playing. All 5 have been given plenty of time to prove themselves. Unfortunately they haven’t, so are now going to be moved on. Otherwise there would never be room for new signings, which most fans tend to demand/expect.

A managers job is to put together the best possible squad, sometimes that means being ruthless. It is impossible to keep 25 players happy.


Cooper is not achieving the best possible squad though.

2 wins in 19. With 6 defeats in a row at home suggest he is failing big time.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Kentstripe » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:09 pm

20yrs and counting wrote:Usual suspects defending MC. Like some kind of cult. Yes he was a great player. He HAS been a good manager. But time to move on. He’s clearly out of ideas. He needed a no2 and a decent Jan window and failed. He signs young players every season, discards 5 or 6 whilst taking up the wage bill and breaks their spirit and in turn breaks the fan/player bond at the club,leading to the poor home match atmosphere. Surely a big part of Head Coach is to inspire, motivate. A lot of the players he brings in are better than when he coaches the unpredictably out of them

How many players as he genuinely improved vs were they better when they arrived. The scales tip to the later part of the sentence. Mondal, McCoulsky, Smith, Robert, Traore, Williams. All betterwhen they arrived. He has had success stories, Pinnock, Doidge (to an extent), prob Kitching as well. Time moves on. Every manager has a sell by date at a club.


I would at the very least add Reece Brown, Carl Winchester, Joe Mills and Liam Shephard to the list of success stories. Ebou Adams too. George Williams has the ability to be the best of the lot. Dokes has a lot of potential too.

I expect MC will be given till the end of his contract despite the crying from some on here, if next season is successful then he’ll deserve a new contract, if not he’ll leave having moved the club forward in his 5 years here, which is all you can ask of most managers imo.
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Re: Support the players

Postby FGR-Ledge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:13 pm

Cooper will take us down if we stick with him next season in my opinion.

The Cap-differs seem to keep forgetting Coopers first season in the league which was terrible and we survived by a point.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Kentstripe » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:19 pm

FGR-Ledge wrote:Cooper will take us down if we stick with him next season in my opinion.

The Cap-differs seem to keep forgetting Coopers first season in the league which was terrible and we survived by a point.


You said that at the start of last season. And we nearly went up. We haven't been outside the top 10 for the best part of 2 years. Why would we suddenly be struggling next season?
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Re: Support the players

Postby FGR-Ledge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:21 pm

Kentstripe wrote:
FGR-Ledge wrote:Cooper will take us down if we stick with him next season in my opinion.

The Cap-differs seem to keep forgetting Coopers first season in the league which was terrible and we survived by a point.


You said that at the start of last season. And we nearly went up. We haven't been outside the top 10 for the best part of 2 years. Why would we suddenly be struggling next season?


2 wins in 19 and 6 home defeats in a row.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Kentstripe » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:23 pm

Yes we’re on a bad run atm. No reason we can't turn it round though, we have before.

Your stats are wrong btw.
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Re: Support the players

Postby FGR-Ledge » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:39 pm

Kentstripe wrote:Yes we’re on a bad run atm. No reason we can't turn it round though, we have before.

Your stats are wrong btw.


Sorry, is it 5 home defeats in a row?

Still blooming dire though.

To be honest we disagree on Cooper, but you do debate well and show respect to posters when you don't agree. Fair play to you.
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Re: Support the players

Postby Kentstripe » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:44 pm

FGR-Ledge wrote:
Kentstripe wrote:Yes we’re on a bad run atm. No reason we can't turn it round though, we have before.

Your stats are wrong btw.


Sorry, is it 5 home defeats in a row?

Still blooming dire though.

To be honest we disagree on Cooper, but you do debate well and show respect to posters when you don't agree. Fair play to you.


Yes it’s 5 ;)

See we’re not that rubbish after all! :lol:
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