Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Charlie5football » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:53 am

I was in the North Stand and the decision to let them in was correct not enough stewards or police to cope it would have been utter carnage if they had run riot, it had kicked off earlier in the corner but nothing was done I was told by one of the ones who managed to get in prior to letting them have access that at least 10 to 15 were looking to cause trouble. At least once in they could control them slightly better. It's the same old I think people forget we are now a league club with that it can bring crowd issues and for once this is where you need the knowledge of proper football people.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Tomiswalking » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:09 am

Maybe the match sponsor, attwoolls, will cover the west terrace like at Crawley.

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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Chrisgump11 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:23 am

Nothing like a grandstand finish to get the pulses racing. It seems like a year or two since we specialised in turning games around in the closing minutes?

I thought it was an intriguing encounter throughout, let alone the heady climax. Irrespective of the 'square passing jibes' with which I differ, Rovers are a different entity than 2 months ago. Confidence, form and a settled XI all have something to do with that, and I agree with Coops' interview midweek that it may be the example set by the youngsters - Fitzwater, Iacavetti, Brad Collins & Reece Brown that have encouraged the seniors to step up, rather than vice versa. Add KMB's rehab, the best acquisition of the season - Ozzy - and Christian Doidge's important goals and we suddenly look a fine team. Even better when you consider who is not starting at the moment - Charlie Cooper injured (when in fine form himself), Dan Wishart putting in a convincing case for a starting berth and options like Bugiel and Manny Monthe to try out.

Dale is back from suspension and looks more relaxed with his colleagues playing better. Drissa is being well managed/coached and is lengthening the period of his influence during a match. Most important, Lee Collins is looking like a leader and has improved his game immeasurably.

Crewe are a likeminded team. They will always be happier playing the likes of us that 'up and at 'em Lincoln last week'. Recognising our form, they came to park the bus and rely on intelligent breaks, and that worked for three quarters of the game. During that time, our build up play was accurate and confident but lacked cutting edge. Gone was the 'shoot on sight' at Crawley - we were looking for one pass too many around the box which is hard when 11 defenders block the way ahead. When necessary, Crewe were cynical too - if we broke them down or gained ascendancy too close to the box, they chopped. KMB was often picked out for special measures and was ridiculously lectured by the referee who ignored a nasty, ill tempered jump tackle on him. However it shows how Keanu is happy to work and mix it these days, and he will have had the last laugh. His relationship around Reece Brown, Ozzy, Drissa is making our midfield something to savour.

But FGR is not the finished article yet - dominant forward players can still win good ball in our penalty area and the cross and header for the first goal showed the merits of less flowery attacking, Crewe's second too.

But we kept our shape and gradually carved out chances. As the weather turned from wet to vile, Coops turned to power - Dan Wishart, Manny Monthe and Omar Bugiel. Fine timing too. It worked and produced the deserved result. You cannot beat the sound and sight of a stadium jumping at the end of a game, in unison with manager, coaches and players

Yet again, a few brain surgeons in the East Stand spent time baiting our manager & coaches. Their impatience and abusive tones will have seen them slink off in shame or celebrate hypocritically. Shame on them. Fortunately they are but few in a largely united club that is beginning to appreciate the value of coaching patient, skilful play on the deck and the excitement of a great crop of youngsters.

I don't know the why's and wherefores of the North Stand move around yesterday. However, I urge renewed energy in creating a covered seating area in the West Terrace. Last week at Crawley, the whole of one side is covered by a scaffold & canvass affair that Attwoolls could knock up if the terrace is extended backwards (as planned). Bristol Rovers have a similar structure in their narrow south stand Whatever happens regarding the new stadium, a move must be at least 3 seasons away, and if we need any reminder of why intermediate improvements should be made for the excellent numbers of visiting supporters, just watch yesterday's highlights. It was the only bad aspect of a fine result

Now for Chesterfield. Like Port Vale & ourselves, a team running into form. Then El Glosico then The Grecians in the FA Cup - what a season this is promising to be ...
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Timb » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:30 am

What we need is mote than a handful of supporters in the North Stand, as at some of the earlier games this season.

Then the idea of changing the decision wouldn't arise.

A bit like at swindon though. All those years ago. If you have a massive block of empty seats, and a 1000 spectators standing out in the freezing sleet and rain next to it, is it not the obvious thing to do?
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Phil_mitchell » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:48 am

king giraffe III wrote:
Ninja Hamster wrote:No one listened after the Swindon game about away fans in the North stand. So away fans can get onto the pitch, taunt Police and stewards and nothing happens to them apart from what they wanted.

'we are crewe and we get what we want'
'you're so **** we've taken your stand'.

Will Crewe be responding by banning any of these 'individuals'?

It wasn't nice being in the North stand, didn't see a large part of the match due to the angry mob heading in our direction.

This is the second warning, god help us if there is a third.

You can't keep people safe.


It is inevitable there will be Cheltenham supporters in the North Stand.


I can assure you they won't last long in south stand.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Tomiswalking » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:04 pm

Going from the robins forum I'm not sure they will work out how to find nailsworth... Let alone find the ground.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby The Cumbrian » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:07 pm

It's utterly unfair to make visiting fans stand in the rain, particularly elderly and children. Personally I think a better plan, after a temporary cover, is to designate the North stand back to visiting fans and split the west stand.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Foggy » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:32 pm

Timb wrote:
A bit like at swindon though. All those years ago. If you have a massive block of empty seats, and a 1000 spectators standing out in the freezing sleet and rain next to it, is it not the obvious thing to do?


I started watching football in the late 70's and early 80's at which time football fans were largely regarded as the scum of the Earth. We were treated like animals, herded around and kept in what amounted to cages at grounds. Travelling on public transport you often took your life into your own hands...checking in advance which other supporters you might meet en-route, mainly at larger rail hubs, was a necessary process. Showing your colours would nearly always bring unwelcome attention.

I had believed that we had moved on from those times, grounds are now a far friendlier place to visit, certainly safer. Judging by some of the comments on this thread, and a recent one regarding homophobic terms directed at an opponent, it appears that some of our fans have been abandoned in the last century. I would invite you to join us in the twenty-first, if you can leave those attitudes behind, it really isn't that frightening a place to be.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Earl » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:33 pm

Crazy game, crazy result.
When all looked lost we pull out an astonishing win.
Remember, they could have scored a few more goals in the second half and put the game to bed. We were lucky in that respect.
I thought Cooper was unfair in the post-match interview to criticise the crowd for wanting the ball played forward. All we want is the ball played forward given the opportunity and to work the ball into the opposition box. We’re so much more effective and dangerous when players put pressure on the opposition. Laird had chances to run at the full back but stopped and passed sideways/backwards. I think it took 25 minutes before we worked the ball into their box.
However, the players were magnificent and never stopped believing and fighting for the win. Very proud of them.
Did the club management not foresee problems leaving opposition supporters out in the rain and cold? What planet are they on?
Maybe the Crewe fans direct action might focus their minds and fix this problem. Once they came under cover both sets of fans forgot about each other and just watched the game. Of course the potential for trouble was there and can’t be allowed to happen again. The trouble is a precedent has been set.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Foggy » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:37 pm

Great game yesterday, had just about everything, a bit of needle on the pitch and a brilliant ending. I'm not too sure where the three minutes of time added on came from, where I was sat the general consensus was a minimum of five. However, given the way we were playing I felt that we might score and only having to hold on for a short amount of time gave us a better chance of hanging on for the win...which is exactly how it turned out!

The table looks a bit better today and I notice we haven't lost against a team in the bottom ten, if we can keep that going I reckon we should be just fine and earn a place in the league for next season.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby king giraffe III » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:45 pm

I think we'd help ourselves going forward if we put more diagonal balls into the box from out wide to supplement the patient build up. It seems to cause a lot of problems for defenders. There is a lot of tippy-tappy around the penalty area with few meaningful crosses ever being played.

I don't agree that Crewe were content to settle for a draw after the second equaliser. They seemed to look tired as they'd done an awful lot of running.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby Foggy » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:54 pm

Good point KG3, our first goal came from exactly that type of ball, it is a pity when you have someone who is as dangerous in the air as Doidgey not to make use of his talents more often. I also thought that Dan Wishart was excellent when he came on, not giving up on the ball in the build up to our second, a fine cameo performance...just what you want from a substitute, change the game!
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby dangers » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:10 pm

Great comeback although I heard Mark Cooper complaining about the crowd wanting FGR to go forward & he was saying when you have a whole team in front of you its hard to carve out chances. How about playing the ball forward earlier then before the opposition put 11 men behind the ball. That does`t mean we have to hoof it forward though.
Great atmosphere though and shows the team are now one and all together.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby montyc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:41 pm

Great to see Cooper doing his Mourinho-esk dance down the touch line, brilliant. :lol: Just wish we could be a tad more adventurous earlier on in games, all the same great result, whole team showed passion and commitment to the cause, getting up the table.

Still not about KMB, talent a plenty, willingness to use it, not sure, shame. ;)
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby greenstripe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:59 pm

montyc wrote:
Still not about KMB, talent a plenty, willingness to use it, not sure, shame. ;)


I don't think the conditions were a friend of KMB or Drissa yesterday. Neither seemingly able to influence the game with their normal ability to spray it around, travel with it, or put through simple telling passes. Not their day but collectively still good enough.

I'm sure Tuesday will see KMB and Drissa will be in with a much better opportunity against the passing Chesterfield side, a bit more room and hopefully better conditions. Our pitch always looks like a postage stamp compared to some, space never at a premium at home, all too easy to close us down.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby tommyd » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:38 pm

id much prefer to see some light covering on the wet terrace. Something that does not reverberate the sound too much! Made a big difference when they got in the north stand.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby cookiesos » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:21 pm

its amazing that some forum members still imagine that visiting supporters are the scum of the earth and not football loving members of the public out to enjoy an afternoon game, just like FGR fans.
Its very disappointing to read most of Mr. Mitchells posts, he is obviously from a different age bracket than myself and clearly lacks any friendship towards other supporters. I had two Cheltenham and one Crewe supporter sitting with me in the east stand and they were perfect and very friendly gentlemen who enjoyed the banter between us.
I cant help thinking Mr Mitchell would like to see us go back to the 80,s and the riots at football grounds.
It does not matter one little bit that other grounds have open terracing, they should all be covered now and give fans value for money and a reason to travel.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby GETCARTER » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:36 pm

The question in regarding tactics......do you play your game according to the teams strengths ( eg. Jon Parkin, Andy Carroll, wingers, etc ), or do you play those strengths in your team tactics ?.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Crewe Alexandra)

Postby FGR-Ledge » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:43 pm

cookiesos wrote:its amazing that some forum members still imagine that visiting supporters are the scum of the earth and not football loving members of the public out to enjoy an afternoon game, just like FGR fans.
Its very disappointing to read most of Mr. Mitchells posts, he is obviously from a different age bracket than myself and clearly lacks any friendship towards other supporters. I had two Cheltenham and one Crewe supporter sitting with me in the east stand and they were perfect and very friendly gentlemen who enjoyed the banter between us.
I cant help thinking Mr Mitchell would like to see us go back to the 80,s and the riots at football grounds.
It does not matter one little bit that other grounds have open terracing, they should all be covered now and give fans value for money and a reason to travel.



You must have missed the 50 or so dribbling chavs that were trying to fight our fans at the end of the game then!!

Lucky that we are classy fans as it could have got very heated and dangerous. The naivety of people like you is staggering.

Of course the majority of football fans are perfectly behaved people, however teams like Crewe unfortunately have their fair share of idiots, still a minority of course, but they were making themselves known Saturday in significant numbers.
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