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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby dursleydog » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:16 am

Re. Charlie Cooper.
WITH Cooper in the team
Played 18
Points 9
PPG 0.5

WITHOUT Cooper
Played 8
Points 14
PPG 1.75

If we picked up points at the rate we have without CC in the side throughout the whole season we would have 45 points and be sat in 3rd place...

Realistically it's unfair to blame CC for that discrepancy, but it's nigh on impossible to claim we are a better side with him in the team.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Irish-Rover » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:52 am

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Phil_mitchell wrote:I want to know why the club make it so hard for youngsters on the south stand to enjoy a matchday. Before today's game being stopped and asked for addresses emails and phone numbers.
Leave them alone for Christ sake you don't know how lucky you are to have them coming to games. Dane Vince seems to have some kind of hidden agenda (I'm naming Dane because that's who stewards named)

I assume that it's because kids are easily influenced, and the language and behaviour by some (who like to lead them astray) is not always the best. Just my opinion... But can't see whats wrong with getting numbers etc from them. Looking out for the younger fans has to be a good thing. (assuming you're talking about under 16s that don't have 18+ guardian with them)


A male of 22 years old had his name and address taken - reason being "we don't know who you are".
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby voodoobluesman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:59 am

Great game, and great to get a good result. We're not out of the trees yet, but it can only be seen as a positive. The game seemed to flow a lot easier and the ball was moved forward far better.

Brad Collins had a great game and his instinctive saves were impressive.

Really like the new players, they seem to know exactly what to do and their experience shows. Having that experience means that their far less likely to be bullied, than the younger less experienced players, so it'll be interesting to see their progress. I can't imagine Reid being spoken to the way that Scott Lindsay shrieked at Manny. Deserving or not, a forty-something manager should never scream at a twenty-something employee, if he thinks that's going to get a better performance out of him, he's as deluded as MC.

Talking of which. It was nice to have him away from the game, at least for half of it, although he crept back in for the second half and was on his way back to his normal by the end. On his interview he comments about the fact that he doesn't like his players being abused by the fans on the pitch. Perhaps he should lead by example.

Oh, and he's done a Pennock and said that he'd take 1-0's anytime.

Er...

Anyway, here's for a successful Checkatrade and an even more successful Swindon. STFC are not at their best at home, so a win could be possible.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Phil_mitchell » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:00 pm

Irish-Rover wrote:
Dougal wrote:
Phil_mitchell wrote:I want to know why the club make it so hard for youngsters on the south stand to enjoy a matchday. Before today's game being stopped and asked for addresses emails and phone numbers.
Leave them alone for Christ sake you don't know how lucky you are to have them coming to games. Dane Vince seems to have some kind of hidden agenda (I'm naming Dane because that's who stewards named)

I assume that it's because kids are easily influenced, and the language and behaviour by some (who like to lead them astray) is not always the best. Just my opinion... But can't see whats wrong with getting numbers etc from them. Looking out for the younger fans has to be a good thing. (assuming you're talking about under 16s that don't have 18+ guardian with them)


A male of 22 years old had his name and address taken - reason being "we don't know who you are".


Any refusal to give details was answered with. You won't be going in then.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Timb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:06 pm

On the stats side can anyone do the same exercise for when Isaiah Osbourne has been in the team and not in the team.

I think that'd the true telling stat so far this season rather than CC.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby King George » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:36 pm

Don't understand why anyone would need to give addressees or phone numbers over, a little to personal?!?!?!
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Irish-Rover » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:50 pm

King George wrote:Don't understand why anyone would need to give addressees or phone numbers over, a little to personal?!?!?!


Exactly. The two in question didn't kick up a fuss as they wanted to watch the game. I believe all details surrounding the situation have been passed onto a specialist Football Supporters Federation solicitor. Again, not nessecary if there was more dialogue between those who run operations at the club and members of the group in the South Stand - who are open to resolving hostilities (whatever may be causing them?) but keep being met by ejections, bans and behavioural agreements.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Earl » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:02 pm

Was that really the same manager? The playing style looked completely different. We moved the ball forward from midfield so much quicker and made use of what looks like a promising strike partnership.

Reid as an extra forward made all the difference. We looked a threat up front, panicked the opposition defence and picked up second balls. I liked the way Reid made it perfectly clear to his teammates where and when he wanted the ball. If they give Reid and Doidge the service, I believe they’re more than capable of scoring much needed goals.

Unfortunately, we looked vulnerable when we tried too many intricate passes in a crowded midfield. Overall we made fewer mistakes and rarely gave the ball away.

What a pleasure watching a strong and capable defence ably dealing with crosses and corners. Rawson and Gunning slotted in well and immediately adjusted to their new surroundings. That’s what you get with defenders experienced at this level.

The only person not entirely happy judging from his interview is Mr Cooper. He complained we failed to play the passing game. Let it go Cooper, drop the obsession and let the players express themselves.

Long way to go but we can at least hope.

As regards taking personal details. If true report the club for a breach of privacy.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Tommo » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:30 pm

Timb wrote:On the stats side can anyone do the same exercise for when Isaiah Osbourne has been in the team and not in the team.

I think that'd the true telling stat so far this season rather than CC.


Good point. We could probably do it with Noble too.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby fgr2016 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:33 pm

Osborne was injured thats why he has only come back in.

Exeter must be confident to let Reid go.. He was great for us yesterday. In his interviews he comes across as a humble committed workhorse... And the players were thrilled for hi even though he has just joined. I can see why he was so popular with the Exeter fans and appears to be popular with the players too.

Port Vale and Stanley must be cursing ecotricitys Bank balance! Three solid league two players.

I think the whole Cooper influence needs to be put to bed. We played better in the second half and he was on the pitchside. I will say this... All three players have talked about the playing style being a draw to the club. That's down to Cooper.. Yes.. Im sure money talks and that's 80% why we got them... But don't underestimate the 20%...
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby fgr2016 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:41 pm

man_of_kent wrote:Interesting to read Coopers report on the match on website regarding watching from the stand. Impressive and honest. Been quite impressed by Cooper and the fact he seems keen to learn and change but without doing knee Jerk changes. I don't think he is far off being able to manage much higher.


Totally agree with this. Hopefully those who have berated him week in week out also listen and have a think.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Kentstripe » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:52 pm

voodoobluesman wrote:Oh, and he's done a Pennock and said that he'd take 1-0's anytime.


Big difference between playing for 1-0's and taking a 1-0 afterwards.

Pleased we didn't try and take it into the corners at the end, can't stand it when teams do that. Needs to be stamped out.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Green Devil » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:57 pm

Kentstripe wrote:
voodoobluesman wrote:Oh, and he's done a Pennock and said that he'd take 1-0's anytime.


Big difference between playing for 1-0's and taking a 1-0 afterwards.

Pleased we didn't try and take it into the corners at the end, can't stand it when teams do that. Needs to be stamped out.


Think it was on their mind though a couple of times. Interesting listening to Reid when he said about seeing the best and the worse of FGR yesterday. Think the worse was referring to going defensive after the goal when we seem to invite unnecessary pressure.

All round we were stronger but still room for improvement as they get to know one another. A bit slicker in moving the ball up to the forwards and supporting them is now a major focus surely!!
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Kentstripe » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:05 pm

Green Devil wrote: Think the worse was referring to going defensive after the goal when we seem to invite unnecessary pressure.


Yes not a great idea, always encourages pressure. I suppose that was always likely to happen though, given our recent form. Noticed MC trying to wave the team up the pitch, so at least it looks dropping deeper wasn't an intentional ploy.

Hopefully if we can start finding a bit of form the players will have the confidence to go for the kill, rather then worry about throwing it away.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Timb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:46 pm

Another interesting snippet in the FLP today concerned Gillingham's remarkable recovery since Adi Pennock was sacked in September. To paraphrase :-

we go into games focusing on ourselves now and not worrying too much about the opposition. We worry about how we can beat them rather than how they can beat us. That's been the big change giving players more freedom.

We've got a solid base and players have the freedom to express themselves without anyone on their back. There was a lot of pressure at the start of the season.

Interesting reading.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Cotswold farmer » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:44 pm

Dougal wrote:
Phil_mitchell wrote:I want to know why the club make it so hard for youngsters on the south stand to enjoy a matchday. Before today's game being stopped and asked for addresses emails and phone numbers.
Leave them alone for Christ sake you don't know how lucky you are to have them coming to games. Dane Vince seems to have some kind of hidden agenda (I'm naming Dane because that's who stewards named)

I assume that it's because kids are easily influenced, and the language and behaviour by some (who like to lead them astray) is not always the best. Just my opinion... But can't see whats wrong with getting numbers etc from them. Looking out for the younger fans has to be a good thing. (assuming you're talking about under 16s that don't have 18+ guardian with them)

Unless you are asked by a Police officer in these circumstances you are under NO obligation to give that information, especially to a steward of a fourth division football club. The club wants to be very careful on this as the keeping of personal information is controlled by very strict criteria on storage and use plus on the age on the people being asked for information without an adult present the law is a minefield for a club by a " supposed liberal" its actions are in my opinion the total opposite.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby Tommo » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:14 pm

fgr2016 wrote:
Port Vale and Stanley must be cursing ecotricitys Bank balance! Three solid league two players.



Haha yes. But then most of the teams n this league already had a few more than 'three solid league two players'.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby gooseman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:17 pm

Quote - Cotswold Farmer

"Unless you are asked by a Police officer in these circumstances you are under NO obligation to give that information, especially to a steward of a fourth division football club. The club wants to be very careful on this as the keeping of personal information is controlled by very strict criteria on storage and use plus on the age on the people being asked for information without an adult present the law is a minefield for a club by a " supposed liberal" its actions are in my opinion the total opposite."

Absolutely. The Data Protction Act is a minefield. This non-stop drip of vindictiveness towards the supporters in the South Stand is starting to be a real concern. I noticed it last year on several occasion. One of the reasons I relocated to the North Stand. FGR will stand for Facist Green Rovers if the elites of the club carry on with this nonsense.
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby The Old TomCat » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:12 pm

Nobody has mentioned the very controversial fact that FGR had an inbuilt advantage even before the first whistle of match.



The referee was STROUD, Keith Stroud.
I'm surprised Port Vale did not complain. :o :) :D :lol:
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Re: Match Thread from The New Lawn (Port Vale)

Postby NECbowler » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:21 pm

The Old TomCat wrote:Nobody has mentioned the very controversial fact that FGR had an inbuilt advantage even before the first whistle of match.



The referee was STROUD, Keith Stroud.
I'm surprised Port Vale did not complain. :o :) :D :lol:


Not sure he was an advantage to either side! My very biased view was that he was overly harsh on Reuben R particularly.
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