Too occasional fan wrote:Eco-Exile wrote:This feels like the time to ask why we have we have a Club-run forum in any case. The fact must be we are one of few, or even the only, clubs to do so. My husband thinks it is very odd!
It’s a good question. Glad to see you posting your husband’s views. Just be pleased you are allowed to post on here.
Eco-Exile wrote:Too occasional fan wrote:Eco-Exile wrote:This feels like the time to ask why we have we have a Club-run forum in any case. The fact must be we are one of few, or even the only, clubs to do so. My husband thinks it is very odd!
It’s a good question. Glad to see you posting your husband’s views. Just be pleased you are allowed to post on here.
I see what you mean with that way to interpret. I should have explained my meaning that I do not use any other sports forum so have no comparison in mind. My husband uses another football forum and ones for a few different sports, which are all independent from the Club so ours stands out like a thumb so sore.
Foggy wrote:There is an easy check you can make if you want to know whether a website is secure or not. Look at the URL in your browser (it is effectively the address of the page that you are looking at, which helps your browser locate it).
If the URL begins with "https://" then it is effectively secure. When properly configured, an HTTPS connection guarantees three things: Confidentiality. The visitors connection is encrypted, obscuring URLs, cookies, and other sensitive metadata. While it was once reserved primarily for passwords and other sensitive data, such as sites that required you to enter sensitive personal information (eg: bank account details) the entire web is gradually leaving HTTP behind and switching to HTTPS. The “S” in HTTPS stands for “Secure”.
I have just done a quick check and sites like the weather channel I use, the BBC website and YouTube all use HTTPS, which gives me confidence that any information I share is protected. In the browser where I am typing this I get a warning "Not secure", which tells me all that I need to know about the pages I am browsing and the need to migrate away from this service as soon as possible, certainly to be guarded about how much information I share.
Yes it will be sad to leave our messages behind but when it comes to the urgency to move to a new, more secure, service I am prepared to trust the judgement of those with even a modicum of knowledge about cyber security than someone who doesn't.
Simba wrote:As a bare minimum, we can save a copy of the forum. it would be an 'offline' copy that none of us would be able to access but at least everything would still exist. I question the value of this approach but there's no harm in doing it, as long as user data is not copied across.
In the meantime I'll keep investigating if and how data from this forum can be exported. That is the only way we'll get significant content onto the new forum.
It is unreasonable to expect this to be done manually, even with a team of volunteers. The First Team section alone has 183,340 posts.
Eco-Exile wrote:This feels like the time to ask why we have we have a Club-run forum in any case. The fact must be we are one of few, or even the only, clubs to do so. My husband thinks it is very odd!
Lady Magpie wrote:Eco-Exile wrote:This feels like the time to ask why we have we have a Club-run forum in any case. The fact must be we are one of few, or even the only, clubs to do so. My husband thinks it is very odd!
Start one yourself Eco-Exile, your husband can help, it's been tried a few times and hasn't worked. The many other none club forums are prone to being full of vile and bad language, would you like younger supporters subject to that, no should be the answer.
Go on, give it a go if you think it's right.
LM
Simba wrote:As a bare minimum, we can save a copy of the forum. it would be an 'offline' copy that none of us would be able to access but at least everything would still exist. I question the value of this approach but there's no harm in doing it, as long as user data is not copied across.
In the meantime I'll keep investigating if and how data from this forum can be exported. That is the only way we'll get significant content onto the new forum.
It is unreasonable to expect this to be done manually, even with a team of volunteers. The First Team section alone has 183,340 posts.
NewForestRover wrote:I have nothing against a new, secure forum. What I'm objecting to is losing everything on this one. Why couldn't this one be updated? Why can't some of the threads be moved across to the new one? Especially some of the popular ones from the General chat section.
Simba, you say work has been going on to set up the new system over the past few months, yet you are only giving us FIVE days notice!! Is that really enough time to back everything up?
I'm back at work now after having three months off. Apart from today, I'm working until next weekend when according to your post, this forum will be gone. So how am I supposed to copy and paste 100 PM's, go through 2000+ of my own posts, let alone posts from other people that I'd like to keep by this evening?
We should have been told about this during lockdown when a lot of us had plenty of time to spare.
Foggy wrote:Seriously, some people just don't get cyber security...leaving this forum in any form on the web for people to access would be like going away on holiday for two weeks and leaving your doors and windows open, in the misguided hope that nobody will enter your home and rob you while you are away.
Greeners wrote:Hi
You mean like those idiots who post about just having a "Beer"/ "Cofffee"/"Burger" etc etc, in Magaloof etc on FB, Instawhatever and Tw*tter.
Foggy wrote:Seriously, some people just don't get cyber security...leaving this forum in any form on the web for people to access would be like going away on holiday for two weeks and leaving your doors and windows open, in the misguided hope that nobody will enter your home and rob you while you are away.
I am starting to think that the sooner it is closed and taken offline the better, all the better for protecting all who do get the implications of it remaining accessible, but also those who are just too stupid to understand.
Simba wrote:NewForestRover wrote:I have nothing against a new, secure forum. What I'm objecting to is losing everything on this one. Why couldn't this one be updated? Why can't some of the threads be moved across to the new one? Especially some of the popular ones from the General chat section.
Simba, you say work has been going on to set up the new system over the past few months, yet you are only giving us FIVE days notice!! Is that really enough time to back everything up?
I'm back at work now after having three months off. Apart from today, I'm working until next weekend when according to your post, this forum will be gone. So how am I supposed to copy and paste 100 PM's, go through 2000+ of my own posts, let alone posts from other people that I'd like to keep by this evening?
We should have been told about this during lockdown when a lot of us had plenty of time to spare.
Hi NewForestRover,
I'll try and answer your questions in order. I'm sorry that you have little to no spare time for this.
updating the forum
This forum can't be updated because it isn't supported anymore, this happens from time to time across different technology.
Moving threads across
I am trying to figure out how to do this, it isn't just copy and paste because of the data fields that need to be included (the author, date & time, comment, ID etc). Importing into the new forum 'looks' simple, exporting from this one is less so.
Working on it the new forum for months
I get it, this is a complete surprise. And whilst work on the new forum has been going on for a while now, it wasn't ready until the second week in July. It's at that point that I got involved and was asked to look at making sure we are set up correctly. And it's at that point we came to the conclusion that wholesale migration is not feasible.
Please bear in mind that the club has also been shutdown the entire time (including me). There have been two people working at the club, Henry the CEO and our Safety Officer. So communication has been minimal.
Saving content in the space of five days
I'd recommend you focus on Private messages, I don't know if any of those could even be backed up, so it's safe to assume those are most at risk.