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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:32 am

Following on from TOF's Belgrade post, we went to a Serbian saints day party last night, which has always been pork, beef, lamb, chicken, Russia salad and corn bread.

It was just chicken last night and a range of veggie bits, with the host quipping about having to be politically correct. Actually or was driven by her daughter...

I made 50 onion bajis and beetroot raita while listening to the commentary yesterday afternoon, and last night they all went. I think habits might be changing.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby stanman » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:11 pm

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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Eco-Exile » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:37 pm

Good Chelsea news but globally the demand for too cheap meat is rising and animal cruelty increasing as a result.

Latest report on the 2 billion animals transported around the world last year: https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -unchecked
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:41 pm

So, no football. Cooking instead.

Fry 3 chopped cloves of garlic in olive oil till brown. Add tin of chopped tomatoes and bring to boil. Add a pint of water, bring to boil. Add a diced l potatoe or 2, a diced courgette, shredded cabbage, broad beans and green beans. Bring to boil. Add a tin of beans from the cupboard.

Simmer for 15 mins. Add as much black pepper as your elbow will allow. Add a handful of pasta. And simmer for another 10 minutes.

Chop up 2 cloves of garlic and some basil and grind to a paste. Mix in a ladle full of soup juice and mix into the pot.

Taste it, it will taste wishy washy. Add a teaspoon of salt, stir and taste. Add another one if it suits. Umami.

Serve with bread, and add grated cheese if you're not vegan.

Damned delicious and full of nutrients. The soup is the veg cooking juice.

Guess the name of the soup.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Too occasional fan » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:18 pm

stanman wrote:https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/food-and-drink/vegan-chelsea-fc-plant-based-kiosk-stamford-bridge-menu-1371819

Chelsea now following in FGR's footsteps & offering vegan food.


Just seen this, and wanted to report that in Swindon hospitality there were Vegan options for all three courses. The choc pud was delicious.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 am

It's crazy at the moment and also crazy that it's only 2 weeks ago that eyebrows were raised when our game v NTFC was postponed, and only 3 weeks ago that we comprehensively beat Swindon Town 2-0...

Apart from footy I proper love cooking, and some good music if there's no commentary to tune into. And there isn't

So food and music. Punk for me. An afternoon of Ramones and New York Dolls.

Cabbage Porial.

Slice up half a cabbage finely leaving your fingers out of it. Same with 2 shallots.

Heat rapeseed oil in a deep pan. Put in mustard seeds, chopped chillis, curry leaves, pepper and cook for a minute. Add shallots and cook for a minute. Add a pinch of tumeric, cook for a minute. Add cabbage.and a teaspoon of salt. Add a small half glass of water. Cover and cook for 8 minutes. Take the lid off and make sure its cooked but still crunchy. Turn the heat off. Jesus it was good.

Along with chopped aubergine and courgette fried in rapeseed oil till proper browned if not slightly burnt. Set aside. Add butter to the oil . Fry a big onion for 10 mins or so, add 5 cloves of crushed garlic and fry for another couple of minutes. Add a tin of chopped tomatoes and cook for 5 mins. Add a tin of chickpeas and cook for a minute. Add the browned veg and mix in. Taste. Add a teaspoon of salt. Taste. Maybe another half teaspoon. Taste. Stop when your mouth starts to drool.

Then serve up with rice and beer or wine depending on taste.

I spoke to my mum in nailsworth tonight. Shes rocking on and cooking on electric. Very stoic.

Keep calm and carry on.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:55 pm

There was an interesting article in today's observer guardian called "Is Factory Farming to blame for Corona Virus ? " I can't do links.

The answer is no.

But H7N9 and H5N1 flu viruses have also transferred across from the food chain which have a much higher mortality rate than the Sars-CoV-2 virus which causes the respiratory illness Covid-19.

They're called zoonoses.. arriving in humans from so called "conversion events" where viruses transfer across from animal to human. Most viruses in the factory farmed food chain are kept under control by vaccinating poultry etc against them. If another one took hold and converted the implications are obvious.

There is an opportunity to question our lifestyle choices , because chicken isn't cheap if it costs millions of lives. Maybe vote for politicians who hold agribusiness to higher standards of ecological social and epidemiological sustainability as a priority when you decide who to vote for.

Maybe change our notion about agricultural production, land use and conservation.

Donald Trump obviously wouldn't agree. Just chlorinate the carcasses and it will be fine.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby stanman » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:24 am

Zoonoses are interesting. Many, but by no means all, originate in mammals.
Some links here offer further reading and information - anything to pass the time! :D :

A quite long list here of zoonotic diseases which can be seen in the UK -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/list-of-zoonotic-diseases/list-of-zoonotic-diseases

A much longer long list here of zoonotic diseases which can be seen worldwide -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis#Lists_of_diseases

The threats to human-kind that might be posed by newly emerging zoonotic diseases -
http://www.emro.who.int/about-who/rc61/zoonotic-diseases.html

Like a big asteroid, or a massive terrorist-related horror, or perhaps even complete sudden destruction of the worldwide web, a newly emerging serious zoonosis could well be responsible for the ultimate doom.

Perhaps we are just experiencing a warning taster at the moment.

Hey-ho. Stay 'appy, and stay inside for the time being ! ;)
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby The Old TomCat » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:16 pm

Oh dear, to pass away my time in lock down I've been watching some Gordon Ramsey programmes and have developed tremendous respect for the guy.
Some years ago he spent time in India to discover authentic Indian cuisine in GORDON'S GREAT ESCAPE.
What was perhaps of interest to this thread was to discover that in southern India 2/5th of the population are vegetarians. It is a way of life for them.
I would recommend Episode 3 to learn more. As usual with Ramsey he makes it interesting and goes toe to toe with a Vegetarian guru. Ramsey is a confirmed meat eater. But he does lessen his lifelong support for meat eating.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:51 pm

Another day revolving around cooking.

Jamie Oliver's cheat pizza. 500g of self raising flour 250 ml of water mix and knead and punch the f out of it. Heat oven as high as it'll go. Big baking tray in oven with oil for 2 mins. Roll the flat bread dough as thin as possible and line the tray. Shove in oven to bake for 5 mins.

Spread home made tomato base over, onion rings, pepper rings, various chillis, mozzarella cheese. Bake for 15 mins.

Proper tasty with bloody sorrel leaves.

And coop ipa, brewed by robinsons in stockport, a damned fine brewery. Suitable for vegans according to the label.

You can hear a pin drop in wandsworth, birds singing and trains from a mile away stopping at earlsfield station. Maybe 2 planes today and we're under the flight path to Heathrow...
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Eco-Exile » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:59 pm

This is why we need to eat less meat.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... rise-in-uk

“ Number of large-scale, intensive farms with upwards of 40,000 birds or 2,000 pigs is increasing, driven by demand for cheap meat.....

New figures reveal that the number of large industrial-sized pig and chicken farms in the UK continues to rise, with close to 2,000 across the country.....

....animal welfare charities say 70% of UK farm animals, more than 1 billion animals every year, are now kept in intensive indoor units that Philip Lymbery, chief executive of Compassion in World Farming calls “the biggest cause of animal cruelty in Britain today”.

... Abnormal behaviour such as tail biting is common in intensive pig units but can be reduced by providing adequate enrichment such as straw. However, more than 70% of pigs in the UK have their tails cut off to mitigate tail biting and stress aggression. Around 60% of sows give birth while confined in a farrowing crate. The government recently rejected attempts to outlaw the use of farrowing crates despite their adverse impact on sow welfare, inducing repetitive stress behaviours such as bar biting.”

I do not say people should not eat meat as humans are natural omnivores however it is clear we should not be buying meats from supermarkets, restaurants or other outlets which rely on industrial and indoor farming.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:11 pm

You look at the photos of the factory farming in that article, and then you need to understand that they are all currently kept "healthy" and "fit for consumption" by a course of antibiotics.

And then you can see the "unforeseen circumstance" pretty damned foreseen.

Its a real tempting of fate to carry on factory production like that, and to not foresee the risk of another zoonose crossing over into humans through another conversion event.

Never mind the cruelty to animals argument, I can currently see a very good argument for stopping eating factory farmed, chlorinated or not, meat... Or outlawing it.

4 chickens for a tenner has never struck me as being right.

BUT...

if you take the industry I am involved in, civil and structural engineering, and look at the history of recent flooding since 2005, climate change, ever more development, and the way government and the population have reacted, then you can pretty much foresee how it will all pan out.

Terrible flooding 2005 and thereafter for a year or two.
Much bluster from Central Government about things need to change.
Funds will be found.
It is agreed that Something needs to fundamentally change in how we do things in relation to stormwater management.
The Government instructed and funded "Pitt Review" suggests sweeping changes to water management.
Everyone agrees.
The rain goes away for a good few years.
U-Turn on Pitt Review recommendations by Government, replaced by no firm government guidance on stormwater drainage management, or measures that must be implemented (Decided to be too draconian and too costly).
Now we have a free for all where no one knows where they stand.
Then it rains again in 2019, 2020.
Much bluster, blah blah blah.
On it goes.
And then Corona virus comes along and provided it doesn't rain heavily again it will all quietly fall off the radar.
Until the next time.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:03 pm

Lunch. Leftover half a cabbage. Boiled for 5 mins. Cut into thin wedges and fried in butter, garlic, capers. Then add lemon juice and sprinkle with paprika. Bit of crusty bread. Sue
Very tasty...
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Foggy » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:11 pm

Dinner last night, turkey meatballs in a tomato and fennel sauce with pasta and a pitta bread to soak up the juices...incredibly tasty!
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby The Old TomCat » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:42 pm

Far too many cookery shows on TV at moment. But having said that the 2nd show of GORDON, GINO & FRED was as good as the first and that was better than great.
The food the American like might taste good but by golly it looks awful. They seemingly like burgers that are stacked high.
Oh and their panic buying was not toilet rolls but ice cream!! :shock:
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Silver Surfer » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:35 pm

The Old TomCat wrote:Oh and their panic buying was not toilet rolls but ice cream!! :shock:


And more guns.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:26 pm

And no NHS.

My daughter is house sharing with her mate who is a nurse at Guys Hospital.

Shes knackered and very worried. Lots of pats on the back and applause. But what she really wants is PPE...
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Pitchfork » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:55 pm

Timb wrote:Shes knackered and very worried. Lots of pats on the back and applause. But what she really wants is PPE...


And Matt Hancock claims some staff are wasteful with their PPE, Quite an incredible statement when so many NHS/Social care staff have not had the right PPE since the virus hit us
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby GETCARTER » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:33 pm

And my eldest daughter is seconded to be a District Nurse covering Wotton / Kingswood / Dursley area in these times.
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Re: Eating Less Meat

Postby Timb » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:57 pm

Theres a lot of that happening GC. One of my daughters mates is second year at leeds university doing nursing. In at the deep end next week.
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