
Eco-Exile wrote:Kentstripe wrote:Yesterday in this thread Eco Exile directly called OTC a racist. Why has this post not been deleted? It is a personal insult which is against forum rules. If the user continues to hurl anonymous insults in such a keyboard warrior fashion then maybe a ban would be justified?
I will happily retract my statement and apologise to Old Tom Cat. All he has to do is say he condemns Boris Johnson’s racism. As long as Old Tom Cat defends or ignored Boris Johnson’s racism then there is nothing wrong with my post for me apologise for.
Is this is the depth we have reached? Where we have a fan of our great club wanting to ban another fan of our club merely for expressing concern for racism she and her friends and family are fearful of or have been victims from?
The Old TomCat wrote:dursleydog wrote:
Or maybe, just maybe, what you said was inappropriate.
But no it must be the establishment/pc culture gone mad/millennials/remoaners/moderators that are all wrong.
That may well be although I took time to make sure what I wrote was accurate and truthful.
I did not get personal but asked if Eco Exile supported Afro Americans who state that the Ku Klux Klan hoods stop the world seeing them but it only offers the KKK a small window for them to see out.
I asked EE if he agreed with the Afro Americans [as I do] then he must agree with Boris who said similar about full veil niqabs.
EE cannot have it both ways, either he agrees with the Afro Americans [and Boris] or condones the KKK.
It seems the Referee is an ardent Remainer who cannot contemplate others of a different opinion winning a debate.
I suspect referee removed my post because I completely destroyed Boris's detractors with cold logic.
But if Referee wants to remove my post then the Referee should have also removed every post that refers to me or Boris as racists.
Kentstripe wrote:Eco-Exile wrote:Kentstripe wrote:Yesterday in this thread Eco Exile directly called OTC a racist. Why has this post not been deleted? It is a personal insult which is against forum rules. If the user continues to hurl anonymous insults in such a keyboard warrior fashion then maybe a ban would be justified?
I will happily retract my statement and apologise to Old Tom Cat. All he has to do is say he condemns Boris Johnson’s racism. As long as Old Tom Cat defends or ignored Boris Johnson’s racism then there is nothing wrong with my post for me apologise for.
Is this is the depth we have reached? Where we have a fan of our great club wanting to ban another fan of our club merely for expressing concern for racism she and her friends and family are fearful of or have been victims from?
I don't want anyone banned, I want to be able for people to have a debate about Brexit without resorting to personal insults. The whole problem with this debate in general wherever you look is too many people seem incapable of that. This thread was one place where the debate was pretty sensible and civil until one or two started trying to abuse OTC for his views on the subject. He has every right to his views, as do you. No one has a right to attempt to insult or bully people for having a different opinion though.
Eco-Exile wrote:
Is the statement here suggesting you do also think Boris Johnson is racist?
Eco-Exile wrote:
No wonder your post was removed.
Why are you even talking about the KKK? I have no idea what your suggestion is in this post.
And please do not refer to me as he!
The Old TomCat wrote:Eco-Exile wrote:
No wonder your post was removed.
Why are you even talking about the KKK? I have no idea what your suggestion is in this post.
And please do not refer to me as he!
Mate,
In condemning Boris you are also condemning all Afro Americans and thus condoning the KKK.
Notice how easy it is to turn your own words against yourself.
Do give up, you are getting to be a bore.
Kentstripe wrote:It looks like Priti Patel has today hinted that the government has given up on no deal by Oct 31st, and is fully focused on securing a deal. which is good imo. They should not try and bypass the law imo, so maybe an arrangement that suits everyone is still possible.
Personally I wonder what chance is there of any renegotiated last minute deal getting through Parliament though? With a minority government it seems pretty unlikely I reckon, even if some sort of reasonable compromise is reached on the Irish backstop.
I think it's clear pretty there has to be an election asap at this point. It's virtually impossible for a minority government to achieve anything, and all this uncertainty is good for no one.
Eco-Exile wrote:We will have to agree to leave it there for the sake of the forum. It is obvious to all you won’t criticise Boris Johnson’s racism and will argue to defend it as the opposite. What that says about you I will leave to others to conclude their own minds.
michael wrote:Moving away from more personal dialogue :
Yes i am a Remainer-and after 40 years of voting conservative, have no intention of voting for that party because it is pro brexit and perhaps even more concerning-very very right wing.
My intention would have been Lib -Dem.and mad as it sounded-there was even a slim chance of them getting to 33% of the popular vote.
I prob will still vote lib dem -but having said they will now revoke article 50 without a referendum-have they shot themselves in the foot ,not to minimally give the people a choice based on what brexit actually means .
I am struggling a bit as it is arguably a bit anti democratic .
give me some help here as to why i should still vote lib dem .
I think my pro european (we are one world ) sentiments outweigh my concerns re democracy (based on true facts this time ),but it is a bit of a concern for me.
does the lib dem proclamation split this 3 ways-conserv -the leave party
lbr -the sit in the middle party
lib dems -the remain party.
will the lib dem decision split the voters so much that the nasty party will get back in by default ?
Kentstripe wrote:It looks like Priti Patel has today hinted that the government has given up on no deal by Oct 31st, and is fully focused on securing a deal. which is good imo. They should not try and bypass the law imo, so maybe an arrangement that suits everyone is still possible.
Personally I wonder what chance is there of any renegotiated last minute deal getting through Parliament though? With a minority government it seems pretty unlikely I reckon, even if some sort of reasonable compromise is reached on the Irish backstop.
I think it's clear pretty there has to be an election asap at this point. It's virtually impossible for a minority government to achieve anything, and all this uncertainty is good for no one.
The Old TomCat wrote:Eco-Exile wrote:We will have to agree to leave it there for the sake of the forum. It is obvious to all you won’t criticise Boris Johnson’s racism and will argue to defend it as the opposite. What that says about you I will leave to others to conclude their own minds.
Thank you.
I have no problems in supporting Boris and all fair minded people who study what he has actually said in context will agree with me.
And here I stand with the majority as I do with Brexit.
dursleydog wrote:Kentstripe wrote:It looks like Priti Patel has today hinted that the government has given up on no deal by Oct 31st, and is fully focused on securing a deal. which is good imo. They should not try and bypass the law imo, so maybe an arrangement that suits everyone is still possible.
Personally I wonder what chance is there of any renegotiated last minute deal getting through Parliament though? With a minority government it seems pretty unlikely I reckon, even if some sort of reasonable compromise is reached on the Irish backstop.
I think it's clear pretty there has to be an election asap at this point. It's virtually impossible for a minority government to achieve anything, and all this uncertainty is good for no one.
The big problem here of course is no one on the remain side trusts a word this government says, and given their track record, I think it’s unwise to take someone like Priti Patel at her word. Those on the EU side have said this government has made a grand total of 0 proposals with regards to replacing the backstop, the size of the negotiation team have been slashed to a 1/4 of what it was under May, all while spending £100m on an advertising campaign for a no deal crash out in the 31st. The actions of this government aren’t stacking up to their words.
An election is needed, but we need an election to produce a majority government (or workable coalition) not as a means to force through a no deal brexit by the back door. As it stands I’d fully expect a November election, but I don’t think it will necessarily bring any extra clarity. The country is as divided as parliament is, and I worry a GE will just bring more of the same.
Tomiswalking wrote:https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/discrimination-reports-football-rise-third-3128734
Sad article. Although it's good that more people are reporting discrimination, a rise of 43 % of racism reports is not a good thing. Although OTC would defend their language as old fashioned and not racist.